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Fractals of Gaia 🌿's avatar

Oh my gosh it's like we lived the same life. For me, especially as an adult making friends has been the hardest thing ever. And especially with women. I find that I have an easier time relating to guys almost, but I promise not in a pick me way 😫😫😫 I figured out a while back it's because I was raised by my father mostly so I subconsciously inherited a more masculine lense in which I was seeing the world through but even then, after healing and trying to get more in my feminine it still isn't working 😆 i basically just made peace with the fact that I probably won't have friends unless I happen to come upon people who just really like me lol. What's also weird is sometimes the more meaner I am the more people seem to like me or want to win over my validation but then it still feels lonely because that's not real connection to me on the inside

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I’ve always had more guy friends than girl. I just relate to their mindset more so. I’ve always been overly nice to people, I gotten taken advantage of a lot for it, but I’ll never stop being that way. And no, that is not real connection.

Fractals of Gaia 🌿's avatar

Yeah ive experienced that too. Ugh especially at work I learned to set more boundaries from there

April Gough 🦄's avatar

Yes. It’s hard not to when you are around them so much. But at the end of the day you go separate ways.

Rev. Kevin T. Taylor's avatar

Fractals, the loneliness you describe when sharpness draws people closer is especially revealing: attention can gather around a persona while intimacy remains absent. April’s reflection and your response both make room for the ache of wanting friendships where you can arrive as yourself and still feel chosen. Grateful for how candidly you named the gap between being sought out and being genuinely known.

Fractals of Gaia 🌿's avatar

You worded it perfectly. It's the fact of being chosen as a friend that I have not really experienced. I tend to be put into a caretaker role usually which is probably because I was a caretaker as a child. It's figuring out the small ways in which we accidentally play out the same pattern over and over without realizing it.

Stephanie Macisco's avatar

Wow, I really related to this one.

I am almost painfully introverted. I’m good at being civil and professional in a public setting, like at work or out running errands. But just socializing with people has always been a bit difficult for me.

I don’t like small talk. I’m good at it, but I don’t like it. I understand it’s usually just a jumping off point for deeper conversation, but sometimes it feels like we get caught in a loop of surface talk, even with people we’ve known for years.

I find that I have deeper conversations with people through text and online. Perhaps because in a writer. I’m just not as good at verbal communication.

And I want to talk about deep things. Big questions. Existential thoughts… which can make people uncomfortable, especially in person. It makes one feel vulnerable.

That’s why I completely share your views regarding Substack. I’m still looking for my tribe. And this seems like a good place to find them.

Thank you for sharing 🩵

Rev. Kevin T. Taylor's avatar

Stephanie, your preference for text and online conversation adds another layer to April’s reflection: writing can give a person enough room to reach the depth that face-to-face conversation sometimes rushes past. The desire to talk about existential questions, vulnerability, and the larger things underneath ordinary life also helps explain why a place like Substack can begin to feel less like an audience and more like a place where your people might recognize you. Grateful for the candor with which you shared both the difficulty of social connection and the kind of conversation you are still hoping to find.

Stephanie Macisco's avatar

Thanks so much for such a thoughtful reply! It’s so nice to feel reciprocation and I’ve been able to find a good bit of that here on Substack which I’m truly grateful for 🩵

April Gough 🦄's avatar

It is wonderful 💗

The Day Residues's avatar

Goodness, I relate with this so much. I see other people with so many friends, and I wonder if there’s something wrong with me. However, I’ve come to accept that I’m just not the type of person who wants/needs that many friends. I’ve been invited onto the chat threads for the moms in my area, and they’re always getting together doing stuff, and I’m a part of that chat, but I realize I’m not interested in going as often as I thought I would be. My closest friends are the ones I have from high school over 20 years ago, and we recently created a Marco Polo group and we chat on that regularly. It helps fill my cup of social needs.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

Oh how I feel that. I’m on a coop chat and I will meet up with them and they are wonderful people but I do it mostly so that my daughter (that I homeschool) can have the social experience she craves. One of my very best friends is like an adult version of my daughter. She is one of the most extrovert people I know. People are drawn to her. I have honestly never seen someone with as many friends as her. And not just acquaintances, but true friends that she does a lot with on a regular basis. I envy that of her. But I too have come to the realization that as much as I would love to be that way, I’m just not.

Rev. Kevin T. Taylor's avatar

The Day Residues, your comment gives April’s question another answer: belonging can look like recognizing the forms of connection that genuinely replenish us. The neighborhood mom chat gives you access to community, while the Marco Polo group carries twenty years of history, familiarity, and the kind of connection that fills your cup. Grateful for the honesty with which you named the relief that can come from understanding your own social rhythm.

Tilting at Windmills's avatar

Very relatable. I realized I was more introverted than many when I discovered that many extroverts get energy from being in a large group, while I grew exhausted in the same setting. After a certain period of time, I'd be ready to go home, or fade into a corner to recharge, while my partner was really just getting started. She'd practically bounce while staying by my side, like a puppy on a leash, until I realized I was stealing her energy.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I feel this completely. My husband is more extroverted than me. He can stay out late at night just hanging out while I’m ready to leave half way through. Sometimes I’m ready to leave quickly depending on how many people are there. It’s very exhausting. All my life I wished I wasn’t like this but after almost 40 years and it only getting worse I realize it’s just never going to happen for me.

Tilting at Windmills's avatar

I stopped wishing for myself to change. It's a challenge, but... I know what I'm like. I accept it. My wife of 30 years accepts it (though she still gives me the side-eye sometimes). We both, maybe a little, have enough wisdom to agree that changing that part of me changes all of me.

Living Aloha with Melin 🌺's avatar

I definitely can relate to this post. Thank you for sharing your stories. Makes me feel less alone.

Awkward is also the word I would use to describe myself mostly when I’m with people that I don’t trust and or don’t feel safe around.

I would call myself at extreme introvert. It took me 62 years to get out of my discomfort zone and my stinking thinking to genuinely connect with other people, (even if it’s awkward).

April Gough 🦄's avatar

Girl I feel you so greatly. It looks like you have a good family support system where you are. That helps the introverts not feel as alone. Unfortunately my family dynamic sucks. But I’ve truly learned to enjoy being alone. I used to not be this introverted, but I would say now I am an extreme introvert as well. I’m glad you got out of it. It is better to feel connected to people.

Living Aloha with Melin 🌺's avatar

💗💗💗

Laura Lynch's avatar

I relate so deeply to this! This actually made me smile because I have definitely been in similar situations! I’ve grown to embrace the awkward and to even like who I am! I so appreciate your transparency and really loved this post! Fellow extro/introverts banding together awkwardly! 😜

April Gough 🦄's avatar

Thank you. Currently I’m sitting at my second round of bingo. I’m sitting alone at the table hoping nobody sits with me. 🤞🏼

Laura Lynch's avatar

🤣. That is LITERALLY me! And I married someone who is the complete opposite! He makes friends everywhere and always wants to say hi! I’m always like, why? Why do we want to do this?? It’s SO awkward!

April Gough 🦄's avatar

My husband is the kind of person that is good in both situations. That’s why I need him as a buffer. So if people do say something he could do the talking.

Laura Lynch's avatar

I love that!❤️

Sonya's avatar
Aug 7Edited

You prob used to be more extroverted because when you were younger, you were better at masking (faking it for survival). Like when I would get a new job when I was younger, I would have to go out to lunch with coworkers when invited to establish relationships & I would act extroverted - subconsciously masking it, faking it until I made it. Survival mechanism. Once I had established myself, i could back off a bit & start skipping lunches that weren’t critical & be more myself., which was more introverted so i could save my limited energy for work. Now that im older and/or not hustling, I don’t have to do all that. Like you didn’t have to join that group of women who had been friends for 10 years. Yet that experience would’ve been fascinating to me. I would’ve just smiled, not fit in, & exited as soon as I could, with a smile on my face, & share stories with my husband about interesting the dynamics of the group were & how different they were to me.

I found myself in a big friend group for a decade in late 20s and 30s (it was inherited group of friends, my husband’s childhood friend’s wives). Oh but, I ran myself ragged trying to do my part. It took ‘only’ 5 years for them to really get to know me and appreciate me even tho I was quite diff from them. Quitting drinking around them was a tough one. After 17 months, I eventually caved. I couldn’t take another girls weekend with them sober! A 7-year relapse followed (it’s ok, I was mostly high functioning alcoholic). When I left that group of friends, I got a divorce, sold my house, & got a new job in a city. Almost disappeared overnight! Although I love those women, I didn’t miss being in the group. Not for me. I say this so that hopefully you don’t feel like you’ve missed out. One on one friendships here and there are gold. Large groups at our age, and even at the younger ages, somehow get toxic.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I used to be way more extroverted. The older I get the more I prefer my own company.

Sonya's avatar

According to Numerology, which is so insanely insightful even to the most cynical of people, we all go thru a significant midlife shift around 35 to 40. So someone can go from an outwardly focused life to a drastically different inwardly focused life & it is all part of their design. Numerology says the 1st half of life is about foundational lessons & then 2nd half is for “activating the soul’s deeper purpose”. (Something about the rising influence of our “maturity/realization number”). This info helped me stop judging myself about “I used to be so much more social, so much more out there, what’s happened to me, have I lost my mojo?” Nope - just living according to design.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I feel that. Honestly I feel like we have more than 2, though I could be wrong.

Dreamers and Misfits's avatar

"One thing I love about Substack is that I have noticed a bunch of other people as awkward as I am on here. It makes me feel not so alone." Well, I'm sure you know by now, I could have written this, lol. Probably why we get along so well. It's not easy being like this. Kind of the whole Dreamers and Misfits thing, huh? Just always feeling awkward and odd. But, like you said, there seem to be a lot us on here! So that's comforting.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

It is very comforting since most of my life I truly thought there was something wrong with me. But there isn’t. There are a lot of people like us. They are just good at hiding.

Dreamers and Misfits's avatar

And now we’re all here! Which is nice.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

That’s why we are all addicted to it

Dreamers and Misfits's avatar

Right? It’s so comforting to be around other weirdos, lol

Birgit Sideways 🌞's avatar

I am an awkward extroverted introvert too, and I can relate to every word you wrote. Thank you!

April Gough 🦄's avatar

It sucks! Oh what it would be like to not feel awkward

Katerina Schmitt's avatar

I really enjoyed this April, Iam incredibly awkward most of the time and you have completely normalized it for me. Thank you! I am a real home body always have been.

Movie nights at home are the best! 💓

Todd Higgins's avatar

You are not alone my friend!

I have 1 male friend that we might hangout or do some shooting with every blue moon. Honestly, that all that I can handle. I really don't like hanging around with any size group of guys. I'm not into the male testosterone challenge. I don't really follow sports and don't care to hear about it much either.

If at a work lunch, you will find me usually sitting with the ladies my age or older. Not because I'm trying to make moves or anything. I am just more comfortable with them and the conversations are usually pretty interesting. As joking as I am, I have no tolerance for most conversations the alpha males have and I make them aware of it. So I am not included and that fine with me. I am the guy that will sit right down with the new person to make them welcome or I will sit with the one that everyone seems to think isn't right.

I go against the grain and that makes any alpha person extremely uncomfortable.

I'm rambling. Sorry! 🤣

BTW I would hang out with you and your husband. I think we would have some interesting conversations.

Aliens and all! 😆

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I love this. I’m into conversations most people would feel awkward having and I don’t like typical conversations people have or how they act. It’s like at the bingo thing so many adults were being so immature. Whenever the ball 69 or 67 came up the adults made such a big deal. Even the kids in the group next to us were like “noooooo stop with the 6 7” my thoughts exactly

Willow Crane's avatar

April, this whole piece is such a relatable gut-punch — especially the part about being "penciled in" versus made time for. That distinction says so much. And the campground scene, sitting with a group who've known each other 20 years while your daughter effortlessly belongs? That's such a specific, painful kind of awkward. For what it's worth, this post is proof that your way of seeing the world resonates with a lot of people — including me. Thank you for being this honest.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

Thank you for your kind comment. I was just thinking this morning that I felt bad for not going to a “Friends” birthday hang out at the beach tomorrow like I had originally planned. My husband and I decided to extend our camping trip until Sunday. But then I thought I wasn’t even invited to her birthday dinner/girls night so why should I even feel bad about not going to the beach? Honestly I would have rather gone and done the dinner thing than the beach thing, but I wasn’t invited to that so 🤷🏻‍♀️ why should I care? Yet my stupid brain still makes me care. And maybe that’s why I have problems with people and making friends. Tired of being constantly disappointed.

Willow Crane's avatar

You are welcome! Please don't call your brain stupid — that ache makes total sense. It's not really about the beach, it's about feeling like an afterthought when you clearly mattered enough to be thought of for one thing but not the other. That kind of inconsistency is genuinely confusing to sit with, and caring about it doesn't mean something's wrong with you — it means you value connection and notice when it's uneven. Enjoy the rest of your camping trip with your husband. You're allowed to feel both fine about your choice and a little sad about the mixed signals. Carried with care!💛

April Gough 🦄's avatar

Thank you for making me feel better about my choice.

Willow Crane's avatar

You are welcome! Have a great rest of your day.

KRS10's avatar

I can totally relate to your story. I was that awkward girl all through high school, college and the awkward woman in adulthood. It wasn't until a conversation with my brother that I realized we are all just humans with the same inadequacies, fears and anxieties. I think some of us hide or deal with it better than others, but it is still there. People don't understand how draining it can be an introvert to mix and mingle with people. I usually need a full day to decompress from "peopleing". Totally relatable story.

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I look at my 9 year old and seeing how much energy she has and how much she has to be around people exhausts me. I hope she keeps that though. I worry about her because she is an even more extreme empath than me and I hope time doesn’t take away that need to be around people.

Andreea Soveja's avatar

From the amount of comments, I understand this is something a lot of people is going through. I am also on of you. I don't have many girl friends with which I spend time on a regular basis. We as a family have very close friends with kids almost our kids age, and we hang out occasionally, but close girl friends, I only have one or two and we struggle in finding time once a month to meet. I also feel awkward in social gatherings where I don't know people so well and I am not thst good in small talk. Thank you for sharing 🤗

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I’ve found that it’s better to have one or two. Because as you said it’s hard enough to find time for that many. If you have too many friends it’s a huge juggling act that is impossible to keep up with.

Andreea Soveja's avatar

Yes, you are right ❤️

Pelle Martens's avatar

the campground bingo somehow became way more stressful than bingo should ever be 😂 loved this ❤️

April Gough 🦄's avatar

I’m going to attempt it again tonight. Luckily my husband will be there with me tonight. I can use him as a buffer.

Claire Kinton | Ink & Ivy's avatar

April, I suspect you're far less awkward than you imagine. I promise you, so many of us are wondering if we belong while everyone else appears to have found their place. Thank you, as ever, for writing so honestly. I have a feeling this will make a lot of people feel a little less alone. X

April Gough 🦄's avatar

Thanks. I suppose it more like I feel awkward instead of they think I’m awkward.

That’s all I ever wanna do is for people to feel less alone. To feel loved and wanted.